Welcome to PERMANENT

[Mark Prado]

This is the first message ever posted to this forum, on July 17, 2009. The forum was restarted upon the 40th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission which put the first man on the Moon.

The PERMANENT website had forums up until 2004 until some technical problems and a major server change resulted in loss of the forums. This time, I have bought commercial software with good support, the most popular and highest rated commercial forum software, so I think it will be sustainable this time.

It is my intention to keep all good posts here for the historical record, permanently, so go ahead and get on the right side of future history by participating here!

All the best,
Mark Prado, founder of PERMANENT (1985)

[Rhyshaelkan]

Quite happy you started this forum and/or updated from a previous forum.

A few thoughts about myself. I believe mankind should leave the cradle and exploit the veritably endless expanse of space. I cheer NASA currently since that is about all we, as a race have. However I do believe that we, as a race, should stop "poking at space".

[Phenix]

Glad to see that a forum at last has been born for the noble cause of Space development. Excellent initiative and thanks to the founders ;)

[Boxy]

Happy to see a community for furthering space exploration and development. Hopefully we'll all get there a little faster, neh?

[Rhyshaelkan]

Before I am too far along in my lifetime to enjoy it I hope :p

[Boxy]

I'm sure we'll start eking out a living in space very soon, seeing as how the first commercial space hotel is going up in 2011: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/04/space_symposium/

Also, check it out: since NASA is retiring the space shuttle, they're turning over their resupply duties on the ISS to SpaceX, a private company: http://www.spacex.com/launch_manifest.php

[Sirachman]

Very glad to be here! I will do my best to spread the word about these forums.

[Mark Prado]

Thanks to everybody for their participation and spreading the word.

The forum has come further along that I expected in participation during its first week.

This week, I've been working with some others to take the first major step in getting the website updated by setting up a Content Management System (CMS) with Sam Fraser here with me, and for now we're paying a transient programmer but I hope to switch this to a PERMANENT volunteer who is reliable and longterm.

Some information and links from this forum will be included in the future updates of this website. The forum is a very convenient way of making inputs.

[Charles_West]

Hello,
I'm glad to see an active forum discussing Space mining and development. I look forward to discussing manufacturing and harvesting methods as well as automated systems.

[joertexas]

Hello,
I'm glad to see an active forum discussing Space mining and development. I look forward to discussing manufacturing and harvesting methods as well as automated systems.

Feel free to jump in. I'm in the throes of designing a manned mission - see the Dirty Dozen posts - and that will require some basic mining and processing equipment. I'm thinking that the process will involve little more than filling sandbags and bringing them back, but there may still be a need for a hammer mill or some other equipment.

JR

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. Quite happy a real person shows up once in awhile.

[Sam Fraser]

Hello, Charles, some good contributions so far. We're very serious about near-term low-cost bare-bones ISRU projects. If you have any friends or colleagues similarly inclined, they're more than welcome to post here as well.

[Alexander Declama]

I'm glad there's a forum here finally. I have learned so much from the website and now I get a chance to discuss it. Asteroid mining and lunar ISRU are my push buttons. I've been following Joertexas's posts pretty closely.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to PERMANENT! Is that your blog in your profile? Looks quite interesting.

Even when you are genius(which I am not ;)) it is easy to not see something from every angle. So do share your insight on the various topics being discussed.

I enjoy reading about techniques of astro-industry especially.

[joertexas]

I'm glad there's a forum here finally. I have learned so much from the website and now I get a chance to discuss it. Asteroid mining and lunar ISRU are my push buttons. I've been following Joertexas's posts pretty closely.

Well, I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I'm determined to see a manned asteroid mission fly. It *can* be done, and I think the time is now for it to be done.

JR

[Alexander Declama]

Rhys - Yes that is my blog on my profile. It's a sad blog because I hardly have time to publish anymore.

joe - I do have 2D and 3D drafting experience if you can put it to use.

[joertexas]

Rhys - Yes that is my blog on my profile. It's a sad blog because I hardly have time to publish anymore.

joe - I do have 2D and 3D drafting experience if you can put it to use.

I sure can. Just promise you won't laugh and point at my attempts at 3D illustration. :)

[RaresH]

Good afternoon, My name is Rares H.almagean. I'm a professional artist working at an animation and special fx production studio in Dallas Texas and am interested in lending a hand in marketing PERMANENT. I've been visiting the permanent site since early this decade and I'm impressed by the breadth of detail throughout. I've always been fascinated by the subject of spaceflight since I was a young boy doodling on the corner of my homework in class. I'm passionate about my work as an artist and I've striven to make a living as such which I am happy to say is the case today. Still, flight and technology continues to fascinate me and I look for opportunities to be a part of it in some way.

I've been following the posts over the last few days and I'm impressed by acknowledgment of the importance of art in marketing. To me there are few things like a good still or moving image to drive a message and captivate an audience quickly and effectively. I look forward to working with Mark, Sam and other team members here in helping to promote what permanent stands for. Besides that perhaps I could contribute an idea or two in other areas from another perspective.

[Alexander Declama]

Welcome to Permanent!

[Rhyshaelkan]

More ideas the merrier. When it comes to art, I am all thumbs.

[RaresH]

Thank you for the warm welcome. By my introduction and web site you might get the impression that I work primarily on 2d illustration. I work primarily in animation as a surface shader, texture artist , lighter and modeler. Of course I also compose 2d illustrations. I'm currently working on style concept art for a childrens gaming product website. My last project was for a cowboy boot company for which I created a print add. If you visit J a n i m a t i o n dot com . You should be able to see some of the things we work on.

[Sam Fraser]

Hello Rares! It's fantastic to welcome an artist such as yourself who works professionally in the industry. Lack of artwork and animations is one of our major weaknesses, especially in the age of YouTube. One member here, joertexas/JR, has already done some excellent 3D models of an asteroid probe concept. It's too much to expect one person to volunteer all his free time on something like that, though. We all gotta eat, but you do this for an actual living. :cool:

I've just spent about 30 minutes viewing your studio's show reels. I'm sure everyone else's just as impressed as I am with the quality of work. I assume an ad agency comes up with a concept, then directs your team to execute it? Or is your studio also involved in the conceptual side of things? I'm sure you'll understand better than me it's the concept that's crucial, not necessarily the execution. I've seen some technically excellent animations on the web, yet the concept left me cold. You know what I mean?

I know Mark will love to talk to you some more. He's out of the country on a visa run, but he has intermittent internet access. I'll see if I can touch base with him soon.

[RaresH]

Hello Sam, Thank you very much for the encouraging words. Yes, we generally execute a concept past onto us by an ad agency in the form of a synopsis, script, or storyboard. Usually it's in the form of a script. However there are instances in which we are given liberties with the concept as well which usually encompasses a studio wide brain storming session . I have experience taking an idea from concept to 3d-rendering. Areas in which I have little experience in the production process is character rigging (creating the digital skeleton that allows it be animated), digital fx such as smoke and fire, and character animation although I am familiar with the animation process and I have animated inorganic objects.

In the case of Permanent, we would start with ideas contributed by all members. Once a strong concept or two is decided on, we would then write it down in the form of a script (a written outline of what is going on in the promo movie). This is followed by a storyboard, which in turn is followed by a rough 3d animation called an animatic which would roughly communicate animation and timing. From there we build the 3d-models and background images and animate them. Rendering and Compositing would be the last steps before the final product. The most time consuming part of the process is usually building the assets. Using or buying existing 3d models would help in reducing the time needed.

[Mark Prado]

Hi RaresH, very good to hear from you! Artwork is crucial for making an impression on most people. An animation would be great, but just good artwork is very useful.

I would suggest these two candidates for a first 3d model.

1. A space habitat designed for growing food with light piped in by fiber optic cable, it being a very green garden apartment / space workshop, unlike the current international space station design. Maybe the size of a space shuttle external tank. Put two on opposite ends of a cable and rotate for artificial gravity. The shuttle external tank makes a 10-story building when vertical.

We should avoid the grandiose designs. When I created the PERMANENT website, I skipped the O'Neill giant cylinder, sphere, and toroid designs, and went for just one wheel. I thought that was also a bit grandiose, but it illustrated what is possible a few decades down the road. However, we need to focus on the next steps, which is establishing an ecology in space somewhat like Biosphere 2 which will require some experimentation extrapolated from ground studies. However, we do have design concepts to start with.

2. An asteroid mining operation, very basic and simple. A set of machinery is anchored to an asteroid. In the tunnel, a mining device tosses material back. A sort of turbine fans the material against a magnetic wall, shattering the rock. The iron and nickel stick to the magnets whereas the rest carries onward centrifugally. (I won't get into specific design details here, just the concept.) This excess is then heated in a solar oven (or better yet, a microwave tuned to water?) and released volatiles meander down pipes into cold traps where they condense and freeze. Anyway, it illustrates the concept of mining a NEO.

Many years ago, I consulted to companies with CAD and 3D design operations (engineering, architecture, interior design) and it was impressive what someone could put together relatively quickly (compared to the old days) which looked so professional, and then add lighting, colors, textures, etc., things which would have taken so much longer in the old days of canvas, and these models of course can be further edited or changed and revised.

Of course, you know so much more than I do, but when I worked in the field of property development, watching those people at work and reviewing their drafts was awesome.

However, you can't just hire any 3D designer. We must have somebody who is familiar with our concepts, has uncommon sense about space, and has enthusiasm and focus. The time has come in your life to bring your concepts into the forefront for development.

As regards a script and opening this up to the group, I will start the ball rolling by suggesting the above two [scripts?/] concepts.

[RaresH]

Hello Mark,

It's a pleasure to read from you. Please feel free to refer to me as Rares, pronounced rrarr-esh with the first r prounounced like the spanish gutteral rr, the a prounced as in bar and the second r more like a d. The name is Romanian in origin so it's a latin language with slavic influences. These concepts are great. You read my mind as I was hoping to work on something like this. May I suggest I start on the mining machinery first since it's less complex. At least that's what I'm thinking based on the visuals in my mind. I've seen the shuttle external tank station conversion concept before actually. I believe it was on a space hotel company website. It was really a proposition and not much else but it had some drawings up I think along with some interesting ideas. I'll have to find that site and post for everyone here to see. I'll start with a few drawings of what I'm thinking and post them up here just to make sure we're thinking along the same lines. Then I'll start modeling.

[Sabion]

After months of trying to teach myself orbital mechanics and studying dozens of NEA's looking for a probable site for mining, its good to find a place for like minded ameturers.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to PERMANENT. Great to have you aboard.

[joertexas]

After months of trying to teach myself orbital mechanics and studying dozens of NEA's looking for a probable site for mining, its good to find a place for like minded ameturers.

If you've had any luck with the orbital mechanics, drop me a line. I could use some help.

JR

[RaresH]

After months of trying to teach myself orbital mechanics and studying dozens of NEA's looking for a probable site for mining, its good to find a place for like minded ameturers.

Welcome. :)

[Strobelix]

Hello folks,

I think this is the right place to introduce myself.

I am happy that I found a place where people come together who have similar or the same ideas about comercializing space, better sooner than later.

I did read the permanet.com homepage and found out that it's quite outdated and many links are just broken. Sure after reading more, I did understand why this is the case.

Also I did read some posts here about an astroid database which would be handy, and essential I'd say and I noticed in a post that there is a need for a programmer. Well, as a matter of fact I am an IT pro and I do earn my money with programming and software design.

Unfortunately I don't have any expreiance with PHP and I doubt I want to put too much efford into learning a new scripting language. However I can offer to help with the MySQL database since I am in fact experainced in SQL related design and programming. In case PHP would be exchanged by ASP.net or java techhologies I would be happy to help on this too. In general I can help on the software architecture and software it-project management stuff. And of course I could do testing if desired.

[RaresH]

Always good to have a few extra hands. Welcome.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Greetings Strobelix. Nice to see you here. I would have to refer you to Sam Fraser and Mark Prado for any programming you might lend to PERMANENT.

[Radames]

Dear all,

I'm happy to have found some folks who want to move humanity into orbital habitats.

Kind regards,
Radames

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to Permanent. Hope you enjoy your stay and add good stuff to the forum.

[platinumwolf]

Greetings!

I've been interested in asteroid mining and other commercial space ventures since I read Baxter's Manifold trilogy about 3 years ago. I actually think I came by the PERMANENT website around then, but it wasn't terribly active then.

I'm a student of mechanical engineering at university, and I'm thinking/hoping to pursue a masters studying thermodynamics - I figure that's going to be necessary knowledge for any sort of permanent/semi-permanent space development.

Don't know how much I can contribute, but I look forward to trying.

Namaste!

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome!

Any words are better than no words. Sometimes it is fun to theorize how we would like to be too.

As I say, I am not a professional. Nor know alot about the physics involved with proper materials to make a space vessel. I just give my two cents about how I think it should be. ;) I will leave the major stuff to people that really know their stuff.

So all in all, I am in the cheerleader squad. LOL.

[AeroSpike]

I'm an aerospace engineering student senior who, as a senior project, has to complete a design for a manned mission to an asteroid. The design requirements state I need at least two humans there and back, 500 kg of stuff there, and bring at least 100 kg of samples back. I figure this is the kind of thing you guys would be interested in hearing about and maybe we could learn from each other.

Looking forward to sharing.

[joertexas]

I'm an aerospace engineering student senior who, as a senior project, has to complete a design for a manned mission to an asteroid. The design requirements state I need at least two humans there and back, 500 kg of stuff there, and bring at least 100 kg of samples back. I figure this is the kind of thing you guys would be interested in hearing about and maybe we could learn from each other.

Looking forward to sharing.

I could use some help in plotting orbits and trajectories. Please check the references here to the "Dirty Dozen" mission. I'll be glad to share any information I've gathered to help you with your project.

JR

[Jonathan Nolan]

Hi,

I am the executive producer of the reality show STARWALKER, and I found your website and forum via a link on the Planetary Defence website. :)

[joertexas]

Hi,

I am the executive producer of the reality show STARWALKER, and I found your website and forum via a link on the Planetary Defence website. :)

Welcome. I suppose our goals could be considered defending the planet in a number of ways.

JR

[RaresH]

Welcome Aerospike and Jonathon Nolan.

Jonathon Nolan? The same Nolan that co-wrote The Dark Knight, The Prestige and Memento?

...or no relation other than you both hail from the UK? Either way, Welcome! I think a televised manned flight and extraction of a near earth asteroid would be hugely popular and just what would be needed to get a project like ours funded.

[CAllenDoudna]

I believe this will be an interesting place. I've sometimes discussed this subject on political forums. My mother grew up in a sod house and once or twice a year they hitched horses to a wagon and made the several hours trip to Town, getting back home late at night. It was the 1920s-1930s and school let out every time an airplane flew over. One night in the early 1960s she was pointing out the Pleides when a bright star went speeding across the sky. She told me it was a satellite (probably Echo I). Twenty years later I learned about O'Neil Colonies. Twenty years from now wagon trains will be leaving the Earth to homestead Space

[Rhyshaelkan]

I hope soon will come a time for the great exodus from Earth. Those seeking new frontiers. Welcome to the PERMANENT forums.

[asteroid-wildcat]

Hi All,

I am new to the forum. I join with a lot of questions and maybe some answers.

Our future is beyond Earth and I AM going to work towards our future.

I was a child watching Neal Armstrong when he walked on the moon. I was inspired by that time in our history and started down the path to where I am now. I was inspired to learn, work hard, sacrifice and try to understand. I suffered setbacks, I watched, and I wait for opportunities to return.

The opportunities have returned.

I look forward to working with you all! OR as we say in Georgia ya’ll.

Cheers,

Jim Stalcup

[Rhyshaelkan]

Great to have real people sign up as opposed to spam accounts. :P Welcome to the forum.

[joertexas]

Hi All,

I am new to the forum. I join with a lot of questions and maybe some answers.

Our future is beyond Earth and I AM going to work towards our future.

I was a child watching Neal Armstrong when he walked on the moon. I was inspired by that time in our history and started down the path to where I am now. I was inspired to learn, work hard, sacrifice and try to understand. I suffered setbacks, I watched, and I wait for opportunities to return.

The opportunities have returned.

I look forward to working with you all! OR as we say in Georgia ya’ll.

Cheers,

Jim Stalcup


My earliest memory as a small child is watching the Apollo 11 landing on live TV. Welcome to the forum, and feel free to jump in anywhere :)

JR

[RaresH]

Welcome to the forums CAllenDoudna and asteroid-wildcat. We look forward to your input and contributions. Some of us here, JoerTexas and I, are familiar with the term ya'll since we reside there ourselves.

[Alexander Declama]

Welcome to the forums CAllenDoudna and asteroid-wildcat. We look forward to your input and contributions. Some of us here, JoerTexas and I, are familiar with the term ya'll since we reside there ourselves.

As do I, though I am one of those Damn Yankee transplants

[RaresH]

So am I, I suppose. I did immigrate to the states when I was 5 though so I guess that's close enough to get the hang of it. It's so much fun to take up local customs I think, or whatever is left of it in most parts.

[moonus111]

Hello,

I'm very interested in this concept, and have been for over 10 years now... since I was a kid. The way I see it is that the idea is under-promoted. There are so many advantages to setting up permanent establishments on the moon, yet many do not even consider it a solution to the worlds economic/energy/environmental/political woes. Even though my trade is Aerospace Engineering, all that I am willing to contribute is promotion/marketing of the idea.

Once we have the laymen on our side we can probably convince the dimmest among us - politicians & leaders.

[joertexas]

Hello,

I'm very interested in this concept, and have been for over 10 years now... since I was a kid. The way I see it is that the idea is under-promoted. There are so many advantages to setting up permanent establishments on the moon, yet many do not even consider it a solution to the worlds economic/energy/environmental/political woes. Even though my trade is Aerospace Engineering, all that I am willing to contribute is promotion/marketing of the idea.

Once we have the laymen on our side we can probably convince the dimmest among us - politicians & leaders.

Anything you contribute will be greatly appreciated. We definitely need all the expert help we can attract. Welcome :)

JR

[Rhyshaelkan]

Hello,

I'm very interested in this concept, and have been for over 10 years now... since I was a kid. The way I see it is that the idea is under-promoted. There are so many advantages to setting up permanent establishments on the moon, yet many do not even consider it a solution to the worlds economic/energy/environmental/political woes. Even though my trade is Aerospace Engineering, all that I am willing to contribute is promotion/marketing of the idea.

Once we have the laymen on our side we can probably convince the dimmest among us - politicians & leaders.

I hear the old refrain "We should not be worrying about space, we have enough problems here[Earth]."

However whom is to say what solutions we could find out in space. Plus the issues on Earth, I do not find to be an Earth problem, but a human problem. So unless we somehow solve all of humanity's issues, it is a moot point. However, we might be able to lessen the issues of humanity, by going to space.

Circular reasoning. But I wanted to get that off my chest ;) Welcome to the forum.

[RaresH]

Well Said Rhy!

Welcome to the forum Moonus. We can use all the hands we can get as Joe said.

Circular reasoning... I like that.

[jsteele235]

This looks like a great forum. I'm a strong supporter of approaching space policy from a logistics and infrastructure point of view. Boosting oxygen, aluminum, titanium, silicon, or iron from Earth is just plain silly in the long run! Looking forward to stimulating discussions.:)

[Doug]

Great job in setting up this forum. I have been visiting the Permanent site on and off for years. Found it around 2004. It is good to see it being active again. I have no skills in programing or art, but I can discuss ideas. I have not yet read the threads but look forward in doing so. I hope to be able to contribute something useful to this site.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. I will take the opportunity to upgrade you in a few minutes so you can post.

Edit: Should be good to post anywhere on the forum now. Just trying to combat spam :D

[Brandon CS Sanders]

It's fun to find so many kindred space enthusiasts here on this forum. I'm itching to post a reply to the thread about what motivates us.

Thanks for creating this resource!

--Brandon

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. Love to have input on the various topics we discuss.

[Sam Fraser]

Welcome Brandon and Doug. We all have something to contribute. One of the most important things is simply time. Anytime you see something online, feel free to post a link in the appropriate forum - or even suggest new forums if necessary! Suggestions, recommendations, proposals, discussions - all welcome.

[dvandetta]

I just want to say thank you for the work you all are doing to promote the development of space living. Our time on this planet is limited and we will need to get on with this important work sooner rather than later in my opinion.

I hope to help in whatever way I can!

Regards,
Dylan

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. I have raised your level to full member. Feel free to share your thoughts anywhere in the forum now. :)

[MoonMiner]

Heyo. I hope all is well with you and yours. Thanks for your efforts in making our world/universe a better place to be. On this day, Nov. 7, 2010 we move the clock back an hour because of daylight savings time, which was conceived for saving energy in a time of conscientiness (energy embargo) regarding energy conservation (thank you Jimmy Carter). It seems as if we are always setting the clock back (or reversing our plans), and throwing good money and efforts away, regarding manned space exploration. I wish we would pick a plan/architecture and set ourselves to task without different presidential administrations getting in the way of progress.

[Rhyshaelkan]

It seems as if we are always setting the clock back (or reversing our plans), and throwing good money and efforts away, regarding manned space exploration. I wish we would pick a plan/architecture and set ourselves to task without different presidential administrations getting in the way of progress.

I quite agree. Which is why I hope PERMANENT might get popular support and take space exploitation out of the hands of governments.

Welcome to the forum.

PS. I have updated your profile. Feel free to post in the forum now.

[Jeff Motheral]

Hello all. Thanks for the invite to join this forum. I'm glad to see that there are others who wish to accelerate space industrialization and colonization. To not accomplish this in our lifetimes would be an unfortunate waste of our evolutionary potential. We're racing against time. Let's do it!

[joertexas]

Hello all. Thanks for the invite to join this forum. I'm glad to see that there are others who wish to accelerate space industrialization and colonization. To not accomplish this in our lifetimes would be an unfortunate waste of our evolutionary potential. We're racing against time. Let's do it!

Welcome!

I have posted the most urgent issues for our current plan here (http://www.forumlog.com/nanobiotechnologyspace/showthread.php?t=494).

Enjoy the forum.

JR

"Moon Shot" Ringmaster

[sgeos]

Hello. I'm interested in precious metals, specifically groups 6 to 11, periods 5 and 6 in the periodic table. Are there any good resources on asteroid mineralogy and the types of asteroids that are likely to contain these metals? (Naturally, the periodic table is full of all sorts of wonderful elements, in addition to those listed above. =) I guess to a lesser extent I'd also be interested in putting a tool together that calculates launch windows, etc.

[joertexas]

Hello. I'm interested in precious metals, specifically groups 6 to 11, periods 5 and 6 in the periodic table. Are there any good resources on asteroid mineralogy and the types of asteroids that are likely to contain these metals? (Naturally, the periodic table is full of all sorts of wonderful elements, in addition to those listed above. =) I guess to a lesser extent I'd also be interested in putting a tool together that calculates launch windows, etc.

You can start here (http://abundantplanet.org/) and here (http://earn.dlr.de/nea/) for information on asteroids. JPL's page (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2009%20DC12;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=1# cad)can help you track any asteroid you're interested in. The link points to one of my so-called Dirty Dozen asteroids I targeted for potential exploration.

NASA's GMAT (http://gmat.gsfc.nasa.gov/downloads.html)program can calculate launch windows. Jaqar Software used to offer an Astrodynamics package, but the website is gone now.

JR

[stevend]

Hi Folks. Recently discovered your wonderful forum. Already saw where I could contribute so figured I'd join. Been wanting to go to space since forever and like many of you I'm sure, I'd take that one-way ticket. Recent space related stuff I've done...

Just read Red Star in Orbit by James Oberg and am about to read Rocketeers by Michael Belfiore. I made a blog entry about some other space books I read this past summer here:
http://books.wonderhowto.com/blog/book-journey-through-space-stations-0122426
There are plenty more in my bookcase.

I finally added a section about colonizing space to my website:
http://rimstar.org/space
Go easy on me... I'm building it as I learn.

Looking forward to talking with you.
-Steve

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. Hope you share in our discussions.

[rodericksmith]

Hi,
One of my retirement projects is indirectly related to space habitats, so I've investigated the PERMANENT website. I've noticed quite a few broken links, and also logged them automatically.

Another of my projects is to develop a web-based outline editor and tool for long documents, manuals and as an alternative format for web-sites. So far, I've applied it to Chapter 1 of the PERMANENT site for my personal study.

As I progress, I'd like to make them available in case they're of use to others -- perhaps as an alternative format to help review/design the next version of the website, or for researchers seeking quick access to particular information.

Can you advise where I should go to seek copyright permission to pass them on, and for how to present Mark Prado's (and any other) copyright in this different type of browser page?

Thanks for any assistance with this.

[Sam Fraser]

Welcome to the PERMANENT forms, Roderick. Your retirement project will be of natural interest to Mark. He's been slowly developing and tweaking a Content Management System or CMS in order to move the website to the next phase. He doesn't check the board every day, so I've sent him a priority message to address your post.

[Neanderthal Man]

I'm just a random guy interested in space and the future. Glad to be here.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome aboard.

[Spaniard]

Hi.

I'm Spanish so sorry for my traslate mistakes (or blame Google translator :-P)

I like space and I think Permanent is in the right way.

Greetings

[joertexas]

Hi.

I'm Spanish so sorry for my traslate mistakes (or blame Google translator :-P)

I like space and I think Permanent is in the right way.

Greetings

Welcome to the PERMANENT forum. If you ever want something that is written here translated into Spanish, let me know. My wife is bilingual :)

JR

[joertexas]

Does anyone read Russian, or whatever language this is?

JR

[stevend]

Does anyone read Russian, or whatever language this is?
JR

Google translate reads Russian. It's spam, a list of links. Here's part of it:
"database of city numbers Tver learn how to nnovgorode phone at the phone number to find out the address in Ufa, the phone number to find the address bespatno how to find a phone number in Arkhangelsk at intercept SMS messages from your phone, address by phone number in the city of Nalchik targeted telephone directory 2009 as to determine the location of the person on the mobile phone?,"
-Steve

[joertexas]

Google translate reads Russian. It's spam, a list of links. Here's part of it:
"database of city numbers Tver learn how to nnovgorode phone at the phone number to find out the address in Ufa, the phone number to find the address bespatno how to find a phone number in Arkhangelsk at intercept SMS messages from your phone, address by phone number in the city of Nalchik targeted telephone directory 2009 as to determine the location of the person on the mobile phone?,"
-Steve

thanks. It's history now :)

JR

[SituationMission]

There's some real substance on this website. I hope to add some more. I bought Mark Prado's book (hardcopy) about 11 years ago. Awesome read. I only wish this forum existed sooner.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Yes I was most happy when the forum started. Had been reading PERMANENT for a few years before the forum.

Welcome. Hope for more input.

[Engineer817]

Hi. I'm Kinda new at posting, so be warned. lol. Just wanted to say Hi. thanks

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome aboard. Hope you stay and post some more.

[joertexas]

Hi. I'm Kinda new at posting, so be warned. lol. Just wanted to say Hi. thanks

Welcome!

JR

[abhi2011]

I got interested in this after a message from JR in the Orbiter forums. I can help with visualizing 3D data, coding, a bit of 3D modeling etc. Am going through this Moon shot thing now. Is it an actual mission :) ? I saw some threads discussing motors !

Abhi

[Rhyshaelkan]

Welcome to the forum. It is an actual mission that we would like to see come true. In essence we are trying to build a business plan to present to those with money :D As well as work out some of the preliminary stuff.

[abhi2011]

Cool . I ll try and help as much as possible. The first thing I ll try is to get the NASA LOLA data rendered in Orbiter so we can see where we are going.

[joertexas]

Cool . I ll try and help as much as possible. The first thing I ll try is to get the NASA LOLA data rendered in Orbiter so we can see where we are going.

Thanks for joining us. I've been struggling for some months with producing the imagery we need to promote this mission. It's a very specialized field, and it takes a lot of very valuable time to put good videos and still images together.

JR

[Ommas]

I'm newb today !

I tend to be a forum dweller.

I have an agenda I'll push , but its all for entertainment purposes.

1. Make the arguments the moon is perfect for 6 major infrastructure features for the next 100 years.




Moon is for robots
create solar power stations
create a H3 nuclear reactor
create a rail gun launch system Norther Hemisphere
create green houses that create fertilizers for earth
moon is good for resources many resources
create a hard landing zone on the moons south pole for resources form other planets. so that breaking wont have to made for inter planetary raw materials.



Switched to ipad so I can better edit my posts 9.3.2011 also from wifi.
When I don't understand something I go to Wikipedia .

What I want is to understand the use of robots in space . How to create not the grand robots. , but the ruggid kind with arms people on earth can control , that can be replicated from materials already in space.

Bots with few moving parts that can be energized by sunlight. Yet tether as the workhorse of the solar system

[David Ells]

Greetings, fellow Permanents!

My name is David Ells, and I am new to this forum and to the subject of Space Enterprise, which I understand to be the practical and economical mining of resources and utilization of space manufacturing methods and products, and the general ISRU (in situ resource utilization) of sites (asteroids, planets, comets, et al) for such purposes.

I have begun reading through a list of books by authors like Harry Stine, Gerard O'Neill, Robert Zubrin, and others so that I can begin familiarizing myself with the basic ideas & concepts of Space Enterprise in general and of the Permanent website in particular.

I look forward to contributing to the various threads on this forum.

David Ells

[joertexas]

Greetings, fellow Permanents!

My name is David Ells, and I am new to this forum and to the subject of Space Enterprise, which I understand to be the practical and economical mining of resources and utilization of space manufacturing methods and products, and the general ISRU (in situ resource utilization) of sites (asteroids, planets, comets, et al) for such purposes.

I have begun reading through a list of books by authors like Harry Stine, Gerard O'Neill, Robert Zubrin, and others so that I can begin familiarizing myself with the basic ideas & concepts of Space Enterprise in general and of the Permanent website in particular.

I look forward to contributing to the various threads on this forum.

David Ells

Welcome, and I will have your book in the mail by the weekend, I promise :)

JR

[David Ells]

Thanks, I appreciate that! I did actually find a copy on Amazon for $75 (!), so that shows you my level of interest in Mark's book and this subject in general. I have enjoyed it so far, even going back to reread Harry Stine's 'The Space Enterprise' and 'The 3rd Industrial Revolution'.

I'll let you know when the book arrives, I have a friend who wants to borrow mine already!

David

Welcome, and I will have your book in the mail by the weekend, I promise :)

JR

[Treefrog]

Hi all, noob here :)

I stumbled across this site whilst Googling something entirely different (no, not porn ;)) and read on with mounting interest.
I look forward to many happy hours here and some interesting and enlightening conversations.

[Rhyshaelkan]

Great to have you here. Look forward to any insights you can bring.

[TheChef]

Hi everyone. :)

[Rhyshaelkan]

Howdy, welcome to the forum.

[TheChef]

Hello everyone. Newbie here. :)

[RaresH]

Welcome to the site!

[Sam Fraser]

Welcome Chef! You're not responsible for this (http://news.discovery.com/space/the-first-real-space-beer-not-so-fast-111130.html), are you? :D (Beer IS a food.)

[HopDavid]

Hop David here. I've been interested in NEAs ever since reading J. S. Lewis' "Mining The Sky". I'm please to see this forum is active.

[Sam Fraser]

Hi HopDavid! Welcome to the boards. Yes, "Mining the Sky" is a great read. If you know any other relevant books about space development and colonisation etc., post your recommendations or suggestions here (http://www.forumlog.com/nanobiotechnologyspace/showthread.php?t=284&). What's your particular interest? Asteroid/lunar mining?

[Rhyshaelkan]

Nice to have you here Hop David. The same one from the NSSF right? Look forward to your insight.

[HopDavid]

Nice to have you here Hop David. The same one from the NSSF right? Look forward to your insight.

Thank you, Rhyshaelkan. Yes, I post to NSSF occasionally as well as other space forums. I hope my contributions will be a plus for this forum.

[HopDavid]

Hi HopDavid! Welcome to the boards. Yes, "Mining the Sky" is a great read. If you know any other relevant books about space development and colonisation etc., post your recommendations or suggestions here (http://www.forumlog.com/nanobiotechnologyspace/showthread.php?t=284&). What's your particular interest? Asteroid/lunar mining?

Thanks, Sam.

Yes, the moon and near earth asteroids are especially interesting to me.

Outside of earth's moon Luna, the single extraterrestrial body I'm most fascinated with is Mars' moon Phobos.

[Ru1138]

Hello, I'm Ru1138. My interest in space colonization has been rekindled by Elon Musk's announcement that he wants to put 10,000 people on Mars. I probably won't post here often but I hope to make meaningful contributions to the forums.

[Engineer817]

Glad to meetcha
:cool:

[Rhyshaelkan]

Good to have another on the forum.

[Sam Fraser]

Hello, I'm Ru1138. My interest in space colonization has been rekindled by Elon Musk's announcement that he wants to put 10,000 people on Mars. I probably won't post here often but I hope to make meaningful contributions to the forums.

Welcome Ru1138. Yes, an interesting and not so surprising announcement from the likes of Elon Musk. More here (http://www.forumlog.com/nanobiotechnologyspace/showthread.php?p=3589). Feel free to post anytime and anywhere.

[Engineer817]

But Merry Christmas :D
:cool: